Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby uma » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:24 am

Hari Om. Pranam to all.

Let us continue with our studies.

The current theme is "Supremacy of knowledge of True Action" - stanzas 33 -36.

We will study the next 4 stanzas now.

Verses 33-36

Kindly post as follows:

Verse 33 - Vighneshaji
Verse 34 - Muruganji
Verse 35 - Uma
Verse 36 - Ganeshaji

HGRR

Thoughts and Concepts

29, 31 - Vighneshaji
30, 32 - Uma

Selections for Reflection

13 - Muruganji

Verse for Memorisation
For all:

33, 34, 36
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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby murugans61 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:30 am

Hari OM
Verse 34:
tad-viddhi prani-patena pari-prasnena sevaya
upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas-tattva-darsinah

tat-that, viddhi-know, prani-patena-by long prostration, pari-prasnena- by question, sevaya- by service, upadeksyanti - will instruct, te-you, jnanam-knowledge, jnaninah -the wise, tattva-darsinah - those who have realized the Truth.

Know that by long prostration, by question, and service, the "wise" who have realised the Truth will instruct you in ( that ) knowledge.

Selection for reflection:
13) Vedanta is not a philosophy that heartlessly keeps sinners out of its halls of Wisdom. It does not believe that there is any lost soul who will ever wander faithless and who can only be redeemed if he enters the portals of Vedanta! Ever tolerant, Vedanta declares the Truth and nothing but Truth. The all-pervading Divine manifests everywhere and therefore, there is no sinner who can not , through his endevour, come to claim his own heritage of Absolute Perfection. ( 4.36)

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby uma » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:38 am

Hari Om. Pranam to all.

यज्ज्ञात्वा न पुनर्मोहमेवं यास्यसि पाण्डव: |
येन भूतान्यशेषेण द्रक्ष्यस्यात्मन्यथो मयि ||३५||

yajjnaatva na punarmohamevam yaasyasi paandava
yena bhootanysheshena drakshyasyaatmanyatho mayi

यत् - which, ज्ञात्वा - having known, न - not, पुन:- again, मोहं- delusion, एवं - this, यास्यसि - will get, पाण्डव - O Pandava, येन - by this, भूतानि - beings, अशेषेण - all, द्रक्ष्यसि - (you) see, आत्मनि - in (your) Self, अथो - also, मयि - in me

35. Knowing that, you shall not, O Pandava, again yet deluded like this, and by that, you shall see all beings in your Self, and also in me.

HGRR

Thoughts and Concepts

30. How should one approach the Guru?


तद्विद्धि प्रणिपातेन परिप्रश्नेन सेवया |
उपदेक्ष्यन्ति ते ज्ञानं ज्ञानिनस्तत्त्वदर्षिन:||३४||

tadviddhi pranipaaten pariprashen sevaya
upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaninastattvadarshina:

Know That (Self-Knowledge) by long prostration, by question and service, the "wise" who have realised the Truth will instruct you in (that) "Knowledge"

Prostrating yourself - The student must have an intellectual attitude of surrender and meekness, respect and obedience when he approaches the teacher who has to instruct him upon the secret-of-life.

By questions - By raising doubts to the teacher we are opening up the treasure chest of "Knowledge" locked in the Master. A perfect Guru immediately detects from the questions the false line of thinking in the student, and while removing the very doubt, imperceptibl orders and reorganises the right way of thinking in the inner thought life of the student. When this intellectual wrestling has been practised for a long time, the fragrance of perfection in the teacher, as it were, gets transferred to the student's life!

By service - True service to the teacher lies in the attempt of the student to attune himself to the principles of life advocated by and as advised by the Master. To live the life indicated by the Rishis is the greatest seva that an imperfect mortal can offer to the Man of Perfectiom (4.34)

32. What is true Wisdom?

To rediscover that in reality the ego is nothing other than the Self in us, and to live thereafter as the Self of all is called true Wisdom. (4.36)

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby sganesh0112 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:23 pm

Hari Om and Pranams!

V.36 Api chedasi Paapebhyah sarvebyah paapakrittamah |
Sarvam jnaanaplavenaiva vrijinam santarishyasi ||


api – even, cet – if, asi – (you) are, paapebyah – than sinners , sarvebyah - (than) all, paapakrittamah – most sinful, sarvam –all, jnaanaplavena – by the raft of knowledge, eva – alone, vrijinam – sin, santarishyasi – (you) shall cross

Even if you are the most sinful of all sinners, yet you shall verily cross all sins by the raft of “knowledge”



Pranams

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby vignesh » Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:37 pm

Verse 33

Sreyan-dravya-mayad-yajnaj-jnana-yajnah paramtapa
Sarvam karmakhilam partha jnane pari-samapyate

Sreyan-superior
Dravya-mayat-with objects
Yajnat- than sacrifice
Jnana yajnah –knowledge sacrifice
Paramtapa- O Paramtapa
Sarvam-all
Karma-action
Akhilam – in its entirety
Partha – O Partha
Jnane- in knowledge
Pari samapyate – is culminated

Superior is “knowledge –sacrifice” to “Sacrifice-with-objects,” O Paramtapa.All actions in their entirety , O Partha, culminate in
Knowledge.

Thoughts and Concepts:

29) “Jnana-yajna” is superior to “dravya-yajna” . Explain.
Sri Krishna compares dravya yajna – the sacrifice of material oblations with jnana yajna and declares that, for self-development, jnana yajna is any day nobler and divine than mere formalistic ritualism with material offerings ( dravya-yajna).
The Lord explains how and why He considers “ the sacrifice of ignorance in Knowledge” (jnana yajna) as greater and nobler than the sacrifice of food and other materials in the sacred fire (dravya yagna). Ritualistic karmas produce results to enjoy which the individual ego has to take up new manifestations where in, again, he has to undertake and perform more activities. Karma never ends karma and, therefore, action cannot be a complete fulfillment in itself. On the other hand, Right-knowledge ( jnana) ends all karmas once and for all, in as much as the deluded ego destroys itself in the light of Self Knowledge. Since it is the Jnana yajna that directly destroys ignorance and not dravya-yajna, jnana yajna is superior to dravya- yajna. ( 4.33)

31) What are the qualifications of a teacher?
The two main qualifications essential for a fully useful teacher of the spiritual path are 1) perfect knowledge of scriptural literature and 2) complete subjective experience of the Infinite Reality.(4.34).

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby uma » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:27 pm

Hari Om. Pranam.

Here are the Verses 33-36 for our discussion. Please post your thoughts,
your study notes, reflections on these verses.

Offering this garland of verses to you O Krishna with Love from all of
us...please help us in our studies.
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श्रेयान्द्रव्यमयाद्यज्ञाज्ज्ञानयज्ञ: परन्तप |
सर्वं कर्माखिलं पार्थ ज्ञाने परिसमाप्यते ||३३ ||

Sreyan-dravya-mayad-yajnaj-jnana-yajnah paramtapa
Sarvam karmakhilam partha jnane pari-samapyate

श्रेयान -Sreyan-superior, द्रव्यमयात -Dravya-mayat-with objects, यज्ञात -Yajnat- than sacrifice, ज्ञान यज्ञ: -Jnana yajnah –knowledge sacrifice,
परन्तप -Paramtapa- O Paramtapa, सर्वं -Sarvam-all, कर्म -Karma-action, अखिलं -Akhilam – in its entirety, पार्थ -Partha – O Partha,
ज्ञाने -Jnane- in knowledge, परिसमाप्यते -Pari samapyate – is culminated

33. Superior is “knowledge –sacrifice” to “Sacrifice-with-objects,” O Paramtapa.All actions in their entirety , O Partha, culminate in
Knowledge.


तद्विद्धि प्रणिपातेन परिप्रश्नेन सेवया |
उपदेक्ष्यन्ति ते ज्ञानं ज्ञानिनस्तत्त्वदर्षिन:||३४||

tad-viddhi prani-patena pari-prasnena sevaya
upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas-tattva-darsinah

तद-tat-that, विद्धि-viddhi-know, प्रणिपातेन-prani-patena-by long prostration, परिप्रश्नेन -pari-prasnena- by question, सेवया- sevaya- by service, उपदेक्ष्यन्ति-upadeksyanti - will instruct, ते-te-you, ज्ञानं-jnanam-knowledge, ज्ञानिन:- jnaninah -the wise, तत्त्व दर्शिन: -tattva-darsinah - those who have realized the Truth.

34. Know that by long prostration, by question, and service, the "wise" who have realised the Truth will instruct you in ( that ) knowledge.



यज्ज्ञात्वा न पुनर्मोहमेवं यास्यसि पाण्डव: |
येन भूतान्यशेषेण द्रक्ष्यस्यात्मन्यथो मयि ||३५||

yajjnaatva na punarmohamevam yaasyasi paandava
yena bhootanysheshena drakshyasyaatmanyatho mayi

यत् - which, ज्ञात्वा - having known, न - not, पुन:- again, मोहं- delusion, एवं - this, यास्यसि - will get, पाण्डव - O Pandava, येन - by this, भूतानि - beings, अशेषेण - all, द्रक्ष्यसि - (you) see, आत्मनि - in (your) Self, अथो - also, मयि - in me

35. Knowing that, you shall not, O Pandava, again yet deluded like this, and by that, you shall see all beings in your Self, and also in me.

अपि चेदसि पापेभ्य: सर्वेभ्य: पापकृत्तम: |
सर्वं ज्ञानप्लवेनैव वृजिनं संतरिष्यसि ||३६||

Api chedasi Paapebhyah sarvebyah paapakrittamah |
Sarvam jnaanaplavenaiva vrijinam santarishyasi ||


अपि- api – even, चेत -cet – if, असि- asi – (you) are, पापेभ्य:-paapebyah – than sinners , सर्वेभ्य:-sarvebyah - (than) all, पापकृत तम: -paapakrittamah – most sinful, सर्वं -sarvam –all, ज्ञानप्लवेन-jnaanaplavena – by the raft of knowledge, एव-eva – alone, वृजिनं - vrijinam – sin, संतरिष्यसि - santarishyasi – (you) shall cross

36. Even if you are the most sinful of all sinners, yet you shall verily cross all sins by the raft of “knowledge”



HGRR- Thoughts and Concepts:

29. “Jnana-yajna” is superior to “dravya-yajna” . Explain.

Sri Krishna compares dravya yajna – the sacrifice of material oblations with jnana yajna and declares that, for self-development, jnana yajna is any day nobler and divine than mere formalistic ritualism with material offerings ( dravya-yajna).
The Lord explains how and why He considers “ the sacrifice of ignorance in Knowledge” (jnana yajna) as greater and nobler than the sacrifice of food and other materials in the sacred fire (dravya yagna). Ritualistic karmas produce results to enjoy which the individual ego has to take up new manifestations where in, again, he has to undertake and perform more activities. Karma never ends karma and, therefore, action cannot be a complete fulfillment in itself. On the other hand, Right-knowledge ( jnana) ends all karmas once and for all, in as much as the deluded ego destroys itself in the light of Self Knowledge. Since it is the Jnana yajna that directly destroys ignorance and not dravya-yajna, jnana yajna is superior to dravya- yajna. ( 4.33)

30. How should one approach the Guru?


तद्विद्धि प्रणिपातेन परिप्रश्नेन सेवया |
उपदेक्ष्यन्ति ते ज्ञानं ज्ञानिनस्तत्त्वदर्षिन:||३४||

tadviddhi pranipaaten pariprashen sevaya
upadekshyanti te jnaanam jnaninastattvadarshina:

Know That (Self-Knowledge) by long prostration, by question and service, the "wise" who have realised the Truth will instruct you in (that) "Knowledge"

Prostrating yourself - The student must have an intellectual attitude of surrender and meekness, respect and obedience when he approaches the teacher who has to instruct him upon the secret-of-life.

By questions - By raising doubts to the teacher we are opening up the treasure chest of "Knowledge" locked in the Master. A perfect Guru immediately detects from the questions the false line of thinking in the student, and while removing the very doubt, imperceptibl orders and reorganises the right way of thinking in the inner thought life of the student. When this intellectual wrestling has been practised for a long time, the fragrance of perfection in the teacher, as it were, gets transferred to the student's life!

By service - True service to the teacher lies in the attempt of the student to attune himself to the principles of life advocated by and as advised by the Master. To live the life indicated by the Rishis is the greatest seva that an imperfect mortal can offer to the Man of Perfectiom (4.34)


31. What are the qualifications of a teacher?
The two main qualifications essential for a fully useful teacher of the spiritual path are 1) perfect knowledge of scriptural literature and 2) complete subjective experience of the Infinite Reality.(4.34).

32. What is true Wisdom?

To rediscover that in reality the ego is nothing other than the Self in us, and to live thereafter as the Self of all is called true Wisdom. (4.36)

Selection for reflection:

13. Vedanta is not a philosophy that heartlessly keeps sinners out of its halls of Wisdom. It does not believe that there is any lost soul who will ever wander faithless and who can only be redeemed if he enters the portals of Vedanta! Ever tolerant, Vedanta declares the Truth and nothing but Truth. The all-pervading Divine manifests everywhere and therefore, there is no sinner who can not , through his endevour, come to claim his own heritage of Absolute Perfection. ( 4.36)

Verses for Memorisation:

श्रेयान्द्रव्यमयाद्यज्ञाज्ज्ञानयज्ञ: परन्तप |
सर्वं कर्माखिलं पार्थ ज्ञाने परिसमाप्यते ||३३ ||

Sreyan-dravya-mayad-yajnaj-jnana-yajnah paramtapa
Sarvam karmakhilam partha jnane pari-samapyate

33. Superior is “knowledge –sacrifice” to “Sacrifice-with-objects,” O Paramtapa.All actions in their entirety , O Partha, culminate in
Knowledge.


तद्विद्धि प्रणिपातेन परिप्रश्नेन सेवया |
उपदेक्ष्यन्ति ते ज्ञानं ज्ञानिनस्तत्त्वदर्षिन:||३४||

tad-viddhi prani-patena pari-prasnena sevaya
upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas-tattva-darsinah

34. Know that by long prostration, by question, and service, the "wise" who have realised the Truth will instruct you in ( that ) knowledge.


अपि चेदसि पापेभ्य: सर्वेभ्य: पापकृत्तम: |
सर्वं ज्ञानप्लवेनैव वृजिनं संतरिष्यसि ||३६||

Api chedasi Paapebhyah sarvebyah paapakrittamah |
Sarvam jnaanaplavenaiva vrijinam santarishyasi ||

36. Even if you are the most sinful of all sinners, yet you shall verily cross all sins by the raft of “knowledge”
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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby sathiavathi » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:12 pm

HARI OM

VERSE-33

In this verse lord declares that sacrifice through knowledge as superior to sacrifice performed through material things.A sacrifice performed with material
things is conducive to liberation only when it is done with full insight in to the truth about sacrifices, renouncing the feeling of possession, attachment
and desire for the fruit, or it will lead to bondage.In the sacrifice of knowledge the seeker renounces the worldly objects even externally and his practices do not
involve destruction of life in any form or shape. That is why sacrifice through knowledge is superior. For attainment of knowledge, cultivation of the proper
mental attitude is more important than the material things.Lord further says that all these practices without excemption culminate in knowledge. Lord intends
to show that the highest goal to be reached by these practices is the attainment of true knowledge of god.One who has attained this true knowledge,he has
nothing else to be achieved.Jnana stands for the fruit of all these practices in the form of true knowledge of god.

VERSE-34

In this verse lord explains how should a seeker approach a wise seer to attain knowledge. For the knowledge of truth, the seeker of the knowledge should
humbly approach the god-realized man possessed of knowledge of the vedas,with full faith and reverance in his heart, and surrendering himself absolutely
to the teacher to the best of his ability.He should ask him questions concerning god according to teacher's convenience and leisure.If he conducts in
this way, a flood-tide of knowledge will surge in the mind of the wise seer to help the disciple with true knowledge like a cow's udder gets wet with milk
out of affection for her calf.

VERSE-35

The Lord says in this verse that having realized the truth about God from wise men Arjuna would see all beings in his own self.He would recognized the self as
all-pervading and infinite,and viewing all beings as alike would begin to treat all as his own self.With the dawning of this knowledge of self Arjuna would no
more fall a victim to delution and grief. Just as after sunrise the darkness enveloping the earth at night is bound to disappear.Seeing unity everywhere he
he overcomes grief and delution caused by attraction and repeltion, joy and grief etc.

VERSE-36.

A sinner is not ordinarily qualified for knowledge.It is difficult for him to get the boat of knowledge where by he is able to cross the vast ocean of his sins.
But if through the grace of god or that of saints or that of any means, he somehow succeeds in obtaining knowledge, he will be immediately redeemed,even though
he may be the greatest of sinners.here we can see the example of sage Valmiki. how he was raised from sinner to a sage by the mere presence of some wise seers.
Acts of virtue also,when performed with an interested motive, lead to bondage. Therefore it is quite true that one is able to cross the ocean of sins only when
one is free from the bondage of all actions.Just as a man who has taken his seat on board a ship very easily
goes to the other shore riding over the seas,even so he who is established in knowledge regarding himself as wholly aloof from the world, changeless,eternal
and infinite,very easily crossesover all sins done by him in the course of innumerable past lives as well as in the current lives .He obtains complete freedom from
once for all from the bondage of all actions. This is what is meant by crossing over all sins by the raft of knowledge.
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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby sathiavathi » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:12 pm

HARI OM

VERSE-33

In this verse lord declares that sacrifice through knowledge as superior to sacrifice performed through material things.A sacrifice performed with material
things is conducive to liberation only when it is done with full insight in to the truth about sacrifices, renouncing the feeling of possession, attachment
and desire for the fruit, or it will lead to bondage.In the sacrifice of knowledge the seeker renounces the worldly objects even externally and his practices do not
involve destruction of life in any form or shape. That is why sacrifice through knowledge is superior. For attainment of knowledge, cultivation of the proper
mental attitude is more important than the material things.Lord further says that all these practices without excemption culminate in knowledge. Lord intends
to show that the highest goal to be reached by these practices is the attainment of true knowledge of god.One who has attained this true knowledge,he has
nothing else to be achieved.Jnana stands for the fruit of all these practices in the form of true knowledge of god.

VERSE-34

In this verse lord explains how should a seeker approach a wise seer to attain knowledge. For the knowledge of truth, the seeker of the knowledge should
humbly approach the god-realized man possessed of knowledge of the vedas,with full faith and reverance in his heart, and surrendering himself absolutely
to the teacher to the best of his ability.He should ask him questions concerning god according to teacher's convenience and leisure.If he conducts in
this way, a flood-tide of knowledge will surge in the mind of the wise seer to help the disciple with true knowledge like a cow's udder gets wet with milk
out of affection for her calf.

VERSE-35

The Lord says in this verse that having realized the truth about God from wise men Arjuna would see all beings in his own self.He would recognized the self as
all-pervading and infinite,and viewing all beings as alike would begin to treat all as his own self.With the dawning of this knowledge of self Arjuna would no
more fall a victim to delution and grief. Just as after sunrise the darkness enveloping the earth at night is bound to disappear.Seeing unity everywhere he
he overcomes grief and delution caused by attraction and repeltion, joy and grief etc.

VERSE-36.

A sinner is not ordinarily qualified for knowledge.It is difficult for him to get the boat of knowledge where by he is able to cross the vast ocean of his sins.
But if through the grace of god or that of saints or that of any means, he somehow succeeds in obtaining knowledge, he will be immediately redeemed,even though
he may be the greatest of sinners.here we can see the example of sage Valmiki. how he was raised from sinner to a sage by the mere presence of some wise seers.
Acts of virtue also,when performed with an interested motive, lead to bondage. Therefore it is quite true that one is able to cross the ocean of sins only when
one is free from the bondage of all actions.Just as a man who has taken his seat on board a ship very easily
goes to the other shore riding over the seas,even so he who is established in knowledge regarding himself as wholly aloof from the world, changeless,eternal
and infinite,very easily crossesover all sins done by him in the course of innumerable past lives as well as in the current lives .He obtains complete freedom from
once for all from the bondage of all actions. This is what is meant by crossing over all sins by the raft of knowledge.
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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby vignesh » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:42 am

All sadhanas lead one to liberation by preparing the mind. But being the direct means to liberation, Brahmajnana yajna is superior to all.
To get this knowledge one should approach a guru who is established in the Truth (Tattva-darsi) and who has the necessary language to communicate it. Such a teacher must be approached with humility, faith, and reverence and asked for this knowledge. Instructed by them through the scriptures, one gains knowledge.

The benefit of this knowledge is explained in verse 35 and 36. Gaining this knowledge, one will not get into delusion once again. For , he sees everything in the Lord as well as in him i.e he recognizes his identity with the Lord. By this boat of knowledge one crosses over the ocean of sin however vast it may be.

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby sganesh0112 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:42 am

Hari Om! Pranams to fellow Sadhakas!

Guru Purnima Greetings to all. Here's a small message received on the SMS from Swami Chidrupananda early today, " Guru is pure consciousness. It pierces and penetrates our coverings of Avidya to absorb our individualised consciousness into HIS own, which is boundless in its nature. All this happens not against our will. So, desire it to happen. Gurupurnima is the day where Guru and disciple look at each other for the TRUE MIRACLE TO HAPPEN IN THE DISCIPLES. HAPPY GURU PURNIMA - SWAMI CHIDRUPANANDA"

Let us all will that miracle to happen in us fellow sadhakas, by the grace of our Gurus.

Pranams,

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby uma » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:51 pm

Hari Om. Pranam to all.

Many thanks Ganeshaji for posting such a nice message on the auspicious day of Gurupournima.

Let us all combine our will to make his statement "Let us all will that miracle to happen in us fellow sadhakas, by the grace of our Gurus", come true for all of us.

Prostration to Swami Chinmayanandji, Swami Tejomayanandji and all other revered Acharyas of Chinmay Mission.

Verse 33 to 36 stress upon the importance of knowledge. Knowledge here is atmadnyana and not any other knowledge. Once, there is a knowledge as to who I am, why I am here and how I am everywhere and how everything and being is one, then one can face any situation or deal with any circumstances. Actually, situations and circumstances become unimportant and irrelevant when there is knowledge of the Truth.

Sathiavathiji’s example of Valmiki is real apt, as to how even a glimpse of knowledge or even just an idea that knowledge exists can transform a person totally.
Also, each one’s path to knowledge may be different, as per his mental attitude, his position in life, his duties etc, but the ultimate goal for everyone is the same.

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby murugans61 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:14 am

Hari OM

sadasiva samarambham Sankaracharya madyamam
asmadhacharya pariyantam vande guruparamparam.

Thank you for the Gurupurnima wishes and let us pray to our Gurus with humility and reverence. It is a blessing to all of us that the Gurupurnima day has come when we are studying verse 34.

Knowledge sacrifice is superior to wealth sacrifice. The man of knowledge has less of the problems of life than the ignorant one. It is knowledge to intuit that one is Atman and not body. In that knowledge, the karma of that individual gets absolved.

A commercial attitude may be paying elsewhere but never in the field of spiritual knowledge. Even the materialistic study gets purified if the relationship between the teacher and the taught is wholesome. The bond between the two in spiritual study is highly sacred. The student by his submissive questions, reverence and humility raises his ability to absorb the knowledge from the guru.

One Reality is presenting Itself as the many. With this knowledge, all diversities disappear. The attitude and action of the person with Self Knowledge is well integrated.

The ignorant views the world as made up of conflicting forces. They do karma so as to get entangled in it as sin. The enlightened do the same karma to reap merit and also to be emancipated from it. Knowledge therefore is the only means to absolve all sin.

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby sganesh0112 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:04 pm

Hari Om and Pranams!
Continuing His Supreme discourse the Lord is now extolling the “knowledge sacrifice” and how this is the most supreme of sacrifices.

4.33 Superior is “knowledge-sacrifice” to “Sacrifice-with-objects”, O Parantapa. All actions in their entirety, O Partha, culminate in Knowledge.
4.34 Know that by long prostration, by question, and service, the “wise” who have realized the Truth will instruct you in (that) “Knowledge”.
4.35 Knowing that, you shall not, O Pandava, again get deluded like this; and by that, you shall see all beings in your Self, and also in Me.
4.36 Even if you are the most sinful of all sinners, yet you shall verily cross all sins by the raft of “Knowledge”.


In V-33 Lord explains what is the difference between the sacrifice of material oblations and the sacrifice of ‘ignorance’ in ‘ knowledge ‘. Material sacrifices have their own merits but are largely confined to the world as we are dependent objects to offer the oblations, but when we sacrifice our own ignorance in the fire of knowledge, our deluded ego destroys itself in the light of Self Knowledge. This aspect can be explained better by the following example, a caterpillar sacrifices its own existence by binding itself from the thread like substance out of its own body to reach the dormant pupal stage which is the time of self-contemplation and from whence its releases itself to fly out as a colourful butterfly with all its glory. Thus when we sacrifice our ignorance in the fire of knowledge, we are released from our self-afflicted bondage and fly freely to the higher stages of Self Realisation.

In V-34, the blessed Lord elaborates the two main qualifications essential for a teacher who can instruct us on the ‘Path-of-Knowledge’ and guide us to the great consummation in all life. The word ‘prostration’ indicates a physical readiness by the student with complete control of all his senses by following “Brahmacharya”. It also explains the attitude (both physical and mental) and the intellectual approach which a successful student must adopt, so that his contact with the “GURU” may be fruitful. The student has to approach the master with full respect & obedience with an intellectual attitude of surrender and meekness and a Will to know and learn the secret-of-life. By the word ‘questioning’, it signifies the vigilant attitude of the student to detect his own intellectual doubts and his ever readiness to raise such doubts in his discussion with the master, so that the teacher can immediately detect the false line of thinking of his student and correct him and slowly guide him to reorganize the right way of thinking in the inner thought-life of the student. By the word “service”, Lord suggests that the student should attune himself to the principles of life advocated by the “Guru”, so that having known that the student has fully become synchronized with him the GURU advises and instructs the student to walk safely the Path of Knowledge. Lord goes on to elaborate two main qualifications essential for a fully useful teacher on the spiritual path are – (a) a perfect knowledge of scriptural literature, and (b) a complete subjective experience of the Infinite Reality.

The next verse indicates the length of study with Guru. Till one overcomes the delusion of the world, and treading on the instructions of the Guru realize that the whole Creation is nothing but our own Self, which is as divine and omnipotent as the Lord Himself, so long we cannot afford to leave our intimate relationship and complete dependence upon the Preceptor and Guide, the GURU.

V-36, explains that sin, is an act of ego, which has grown forgetful of its own divine nature and Vedanta roars stating that the All-pervading Divine manifests everywhere and therefore, there is no sinner who cannot, through his endeavour, come to claim his own heritage of Absolute Perfection. This transformation or metamorphosis takes place by the raft of knowledge through which we can all get across all sins.

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby uma » Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:10 pm

Hari Om. Pranam to all.

Let us continue with our studies.

The current theme is " Wisdom destroys sin" - stanzas 37-38.

We will study the next 2 stanzas now.

Kindly post as follows:

Verses 37 - Vighneshaji
38 - Muruganji

Terms and Definitions - 12 - Uma

Thoughts and Concepts - 33 - Vighneshaji
34 - Ganeshaji

Memorisation for all - Verse 37, Verse 38

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby sganesh0112 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:02 pm

Hari Om and Pranams!

Thoughts & Concepts – 34

What is the greatest purifier?

Knowledge of the Self is the greatest purifier. This is made to clear to us in the following verse.

Na hi jnaanena sadrusham pavitramiha vidyate,
Tatsvayam yogasansiddhah kaalenaatmani vindati.


Certainly, there is no purifier in this world like “Knowledge”. He who is himself perfected in Yoga finds it in the Self in time (4.38)

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby uma » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:01 pm

Hari Om. Pranam.

Terms and Definitions

12. What are three classifications of karma -phala (fruits of action)?

(1) "Not yet operative" - "sanchita"
(2) "Operative" - "prarabdha"
(3) "To be operative in future" - "agami"

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby murugans61 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:53 am

Hari OM

Verse 38

na hi jnanena sadrsam pavitram-iha vidyate
tat-svayam yoga-samsiddhah kalen-atmani vindati.

na- not
hi- certainly
jnanena-to wisdom, knowledge
sadrsam- equal to,like
pavitram-pure
iha- here
vidyate- exists, is
tat-that ( knowledge)
svayam-himself
yoga-samsiddhah - perfected in Yoga
kalena- in ( good) time
atmani - in himself
vindati - finds

Certainly, there is no purifier in this world like " Knowledge". He who is himself perfected in Yoga finds it in himself in good time.

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby vignesh » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:22 pm

Verse 37

Yathai-dhamsi samiddho-‘gnir-bhasmasat-kurute-‘rjuna
Jnanagnih sarva-karmani bhasmasat-kurute tatha

Yatha-as, edhamsi-fuel,samiddhah-blazing,agnih-fire, bhasmasat-to ashes, kurute-reduces,makes, Arjuna – O Arjuna, jnana-agnih- fire of knowledge, sarva-karmani- all actions, bhasmasat-to ashes, kurute-reduces, makes, tatha-so.

As the blazing fire reduces fuel to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the Fire –of-Knowledge reduce all actions to ashes.

Thoughts and concepts

“The fire of Knowledge reduces all actions to ashes”. Explain.

Whatever be the quality , shape, condition,colour,etc, of the fuel pieces, when all of them are taken to the fire-place and digested by the fire, they become one homogeneous mass of ash! In the samples of ash left in the hearth we cannot recognize the ash of a particular twig as different from that of another. Similarly, all karmas, it is said-good, bad, or indifferent-get burnt up in the Fire of Knowledge and will become something altogether different from what they were in their cause and effect condition in weight, smell etc. Pieces of kindling , for instance, become almost weightless , with no specific color except a light –grayness, when they come to the final state of ash.

Actions leave reactions ( results). The reactions mature at different periods of time depending upon the quality and intensity of the actions. From beginning less time, in our different manifestations we have been, at every moment , acting in our ego centric vanity and individuality. All those actions must have left their residual impressions and they have to be lived through. This entire karma has been considered as falling under three classifications. They are called ‘not yet operative’ ( sanchita),’operative’ ( prarabdha) and ‘to be operative in future’ ( agami). When in the Gita it is said that all karmas are burnt down, the Lord means the entire sancita and agami. (4.37).

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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby uma » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:33 pm

Hari Om. Pranam.

Here are the Verses 37-38 for our discussion. Please post your thoughts,
your study notes, reflections on these verses.

Offering this garland of verses to you O Krishna with Love from all of
us...please help us in our studies.
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यथैधान्सि समिध्दोsग्निर्भस्मसात्कुरुतेsर्जुन |
ज्ञानाग्नि: सर्वकर्माणि भस्मसात्कुरुते तथा ||३७ ||

Yathai-dhamsi samiddho-‘gnir-bhasmasat-kurute-‘rjuna
Jnanagnih sarva-karmani bhasmasat-kurute tatha

यथा- Yatha-as, एधांसि -edhamsi-fuel,समिध्द:-samiddhah-blazing, अग्नि: -agnih-fire, भस्मसात -bhasmasat-to ashes, कुरुते -kurute-reduces,makes, अर्जुन -Arjuna – O Arjuna, ज्ञान - अग्नि:- jnana-agnih- fire of knowledge, सर्व - कर्माणि -sarva-karmani- all actions, भस्मसात - bhasmasat-to ashes, कुरुते - kurute-reduces, makes, तथा -tatha-so.

37. As the blazing fire reduces fuel to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the Fire –of-Knowledge reduce all actions to ashes.

न हि ज्ञानेन सदृशं पवित्रमिह विद्यते |
तत्स्वयं योगसंसिध्द: कालेनात्मनि विन्दति || ३८ ||

na hi jnanena sadrsam pavitram-iha vidyate
tat-svayam yoga-samsiddhah kalen-atmani vindati.


न -na- not, हि- hi- certainly, ज्ञानेन - jnanena-to wisdom, knowledge,सदृशं - sadrsam- equal to,like,
पवित्रं - pavitram-pure, इह -iha- here, विद्यते -vidyate- exists, is, तत् -tat-that ( knowledge),
स्वयं - svayam-himself, योग -संसिध्द: - yoga-samsiddhah - perfected in Yoga, कालेन- kalena- in ( good) time,
आत्मनि -atmani - in himself, विन्दति - vindati - finds


38. Certainly, there is no purifier in this world like " Knowledge". He who is himself perfected in Yoga finds it in himself in good time.


HGRR-

Terms and Definitions

12. What are three classifications of karma -phala (fruits of action)?

(1) "Not yet operative" - "sanchita"
(2) "Operative" - "prarabdha"
(3) "To be operative in future" - "agami"

Thoughts and Concepts

33. “The fire of Knowledge reduces all actions to ashes”. Explain.

Whatever be the quality , shape, condition,colour,etc, of the fuel pieces, when all of them are taken to the fire-place and digested by the fire, they become one homogeneous mass of ash! In the samples of ash left in the hearth we cannot recognize the ash of a particular twig as different from that of another. Similarly, all karmas, it is said-good, bad, or indifferent-get burnt up in the Fire of Knowledge and will become something altogether different from what they were in their cause and effect condition in weight, smell etc. Pieces of kindling , for instance, become almost weightless , with no specific color except a light –grayness, when they come to the final state of ash.

Actions leave reactions ( results). The reactions mature at different periods of time depending upon the quality and intensity of the actions. From beginning less time, in our different manifestations we have been, at every moment , acting in our ego centric vanity and individuality. All those actions must have left their residual impressions and they have to be lived through. This entire karma has been considered as falling under three classifications. They are called ‘not yet operative’ ( sanchita),’operative’ ( prarabdha) and ‘to be operative in future’ ( agami). When in the Gita it is said that all karmas are burnt down, the Lord means the entire sancita and agami. (4.37).


34. What is the greatest purifier?

Knowledge of the Self is the greatest purifier. This is made to clear to us in the following verse.


न हि ज्ञानेन सदृशं पवित्रमिह विद्यते |
तत्स्वयं योगसंसिध्द: कालेनात्मनि विन्दति || ३८ ||




Na hi jnaanena sadrusham pavitramiha vidyate
Tatsvayam yogasansiddhah kaalenaatmani vindati

Certainly, there is no purifier in this world like “Knowledge”. He who is himself perfected in Yoga finds it in the Self in time (4.38)


Verses for Memorisation


यथैधान्सि समिध्दोsग्निर्भस्मसात्कुरुतेsर्जुन |
ज्ञानाग्नि: सर्वकर्माणि भस्मसात्कुरुते तथा ||३७ ||

Yathai-dhamsi samiddho-‘gnir-bhasmasat-kurute-‘rjuna
Jnanagnih sarva-karmani bhasmasat-kurute tatha



न हि ज्ञानेन सदृशं पवित्रमिह विद्यते |
तत्स्वयं योगसंसिध्द: कालेनात्मनि विन्दति || ३८ ||

na hi jnanena sadrsam pavitram-iha vidyate
tat-svayam yoga-samsiddhah kalen-atmani vindati.
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Re: Gita Study Group : Chapter 4 : Dnyan Karma Sannyas Yoga

Postby sathiavathi » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:55 pm

HARI OM

VERSE-37

On the realization of God in all his attempts the knot of ignorance with in the heart of a man gets snapped. His identification with the gross
body disappears.All his doubts are set at rest. All his karmas with their fruits are erradicated like the blazing fire turns the fuel to ashes.
What ever may be the condition,quality ,shape or colour of the fuel pieces,when they are taken to fireplace they get digested by the fire to
grey ashes.Similarly all actions good, bad or indifferent get burned up in the fire of knowledge and will become some thing altogether different
from what they were in the cause and effect condition.Solid fuel having weight, smell etc., becomes weightless, with no specific colour except a light
greyness, when it comes to the final state of ash.Actions leave reactions.The reactions mature at different periodes of time depending upon the quality
and intensity of actions and they have to be lived through.Latencies of actions done in this life as well as in the past lives remain storedin mans mind
are known as sanchita karmas.Such of these latencies as are ripe to bear fruit in the current life are called 'Prarabdha' karmas and new actions
that are to be done in future are called agami karmas. The moment the fire of knowledge manifests itself the whole stock of sanchita karmas in the
form of latencies disappears. The man of knowledge comes to realize his aloofness from the mind, intellect and the bodY. the experiences that brought
by the prarabdha karmas fail to produce any unhealthy reactions like joy and grief on his mind.In this way his prabdha karmas get extinct.As regards his
current actions, they do not leave any impressions at all in as much as he no longer entertains the feeling of doership or possession, nor attachment and desire
with respect to them.Thus all his actions are nuetralised and they cannot bear any fruit. In the absence of any latencies of past actions his mind can no longer be subject to
to modifications like attraction and repultion, joy and grief.
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VERSE-38
Explaining that knowledge is the greatest purifier Lord further tells the truth to Arjuna that one has to purify himself to realize the truth in good time.One has
to practice the above twelve yanjas in one's own bosom, sincerely, diligently and devotedly for a sufficient periode of time to reach perfection.A teacher can
guide him to show the right path towards perfection.One has to work himself and in due course of time he will attain the necessary growth with in to experience
the self, the state of God-hood. A seeker need not become impatient. It would be better for them to apply themselves on the right path in the full confidence
that they shall 'erelong' reach their goal.
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