Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby sganesh0112 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:33 pm

Hari Om! Pranams to all!

Wish you all a very Happy Vinayaka Chaturthi. May Lord Vigneshwara help us in overcoming all our obstacles in the path of sadhana.

In the present verses, Lord Krishna answers Arjuna fundamental doubts about the obstacles being faced by one who wants to meditate. Only when one understands what is practice and what is dispassion can one proceed with the meditation.

When one practices dispassionately the very practice will lead us to realisation.

Just as the Mushika sitting infront of the Lord Ganesha waits for the Lord's permission to eat the large amount of sweet meats infront of him as prasada, similarly one has to learn to continue practice of restraint to achieve realisation through meditation of the Self.

Om Namo Ganeshaya Namah and Om Sri Krishnaya Namah.

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby sathiavathi » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:09 pm

HARI OM

VERSE-36

Subjugation of mind has been declared as most essential for the attainment of perfection in yoga.The mind of him who has not brought under controll by practice

and exercise of dispassion is a slave to attraction and repulsion.Impelled by these it continues to frisk and frolick in the world like a mischievous monkey.when

the mind is deeply involved to enjoyments his intellect also remains unstable and scattered in all directions.That is why it is stated that the attainment of

equability is extremely difficult for the one who has no control over the mind. A subdued mind gives up all its ego and turbulent nature. It never feel any urge

to roam about under the prompting of the senses. With great composure it gets thoroughly absorbed in the object of meditation. Even after attaining control over the mind

if one does not strive hard to merge the mind completely in god he will not achieve the yoga of equability as a matter ofcourse.There fore, in order to point

out the necessity of effort even after that, the yogi possessed of a subdued mind has been spoken as ceaselessly striving.The practice recommended for the

subjugation of mind, if carried on with reverence and love even after obtaining control over mind, for the realization of God, will also help the practicant

to attain the yoga of equability.
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby murugans61 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:05 pm

Hari Om. Pranam to all.
Umaji is on a short vacation and will join us soon.

Let us now study Stanza 37-40 from the Chapter 6, Yoga of Meditation - Dhyan Yoga.

The current theme is None who stives to do good ever comes to grief.
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Verse 37 Vighaneshaji
Verse 38 Murugan
Verse 39 Sathyavathiji
Verse 40 Ganehsaji

Terms and Definitions

11 Sathyavathiji

Thoughts and Concepts

32 Vighaneshaji

Selections for Reflection

18 &19 Ganehsaji

Verses for Memorisation

37 & 40

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby vignesh » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:24 am

verse 37

ayatih sradhayopeto yogac calita-manasah
aprapya yoga-samsiddhim kam gatim krsna gacchati

ayatih - uncontrolled, sradhya- by faith, upetaha- possessed, yogat- from yoga, calita manasah - one whose mind wanders away, aprapya - not having attained, yoga samsiddhim - perfection in yoga, kam- which, gatim - end, krsna - O Krishna, gacchati - meets.

He who, though possessed of faith, is unable to control himself, whose mind wanders away from Yoga, to what end does he, having failed to attain perfection in Yoga, go, O Krishna?
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby vignesh » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:29 pm

32. Cite and explain the verses where in Arjuna questions the Lord about the fate of a Yoga Brashta ( fallen yogi)

ayatih sraddhayopeta yogaccalitamanasah,
aprapya yogasamsiddhim kam gatim krsna gacchati,

He who,though possessesd of faith, is unable to control himself, whose mind wanders away from Yoga, to what end does he, having failed to attain perfection in Yoga, go, O Krsna. (6.37)

kaccinnobhyavinbhrastaschinnaabhramiva nasyati,
apratistaho mahabaho vimudho brahmanah pathi.

Fallen from both, does he not, O mighty-armed, perish like a rent cloud, supportless and deluded in the path of Brahman?

etanme samsayam krsna chettumarhasyasesatah,
tvadanyah samsayasya chetta na hyupapadyate.

This doubt kof mine, O Krshna, please dispel completely; because it is not possible for anyone but you to dispel this doubt.

Arjuna askes as to what will happen to a Yogabhrasta (fallen Yogi)-the one who strives with deep faith (sraddha) but fails to accomplish complete self-control during his life-time due to untimely death or due to lack of sufficient self-control.

The doubt is that such an individual may thereby come to lose both the little joys of the sense objects and the Absolute Blisss in the hereafter. A seeker, striving all his life to live in self-control, will be consciously avoiding all the finite joy-temptations in the gross world here. But, if the uncertain factor - death- were to clip the thread of his life, he would lose his chances of gaining the Absolute Beatitude. The secret import of the question is that those who faithfully follow Sri Krshna's theory may come to lose both the chances of experiencing the finite and the infinite joy.

Again, suppose that a seeker, due to lack of self-control, falls from Yoga. To win in Yoga, no doubt, is a great victory, a gain par excellence. But if, in the race, one would stand to lose both here and hereafter. Naturally, Arjuna wants dome guidance form Sri Krsna as to what will hapen to such an individual.

The striking example with which this doubt is voiced by Arjuna is one of the most brilliant poetic strokes in the entire Gita. In summer, mushroom-shaped floating castles of cloiuds arise from behind the mountains to peep into the valleys below. At the touch of some strong current of wind the mass takes to flight, leaving along its trail, small bits of fleecy cloudlets. Those little ones, worn away from the parental bulk, get knocked about and are at the mercy of every puff of breeze. They get tossed hither and thither without any haven for themselves. "Like the rent cloud," Arjuna asks, 'will not the seeker be forced to roam about and ultimately get lost in the vast amphitheatre of universe?"
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby murugans61 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:33 pm

Hari OM

Verse 38

kaccin nobhaya-vibhrastas chinnabhram iva nasyati
apratistho mahabaho vimudho brahmanah pathi
kaccin-is it that?, na-not, bhayavibhrastas - fallen from both, chinna-rent, abhram - cloud, iva-like, nasyati - perishes, apratistho - supportless, mahabaho - o mighty armed, vimudho - deluded, brahmanah- of brahman, pathi - in the path

Fallen from both, does he not, O mighty armed, perish like a rent cloud, supportless, and deluded in the path of Brahman?

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby sganesh0112 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:27 pm

Hari Om! Pranams to all!

V 6-40

Sri Bhagawan Uvacha

Partha Naiveha Naamutra vinaashastasya vidyate |
Na hi Kalyaanakrut kashchit durgatim taata gachhathi ||


Partha – son of Pritha, Arjuna; na – neither; iha – here; na – nor ; Amutra – in the next world; vinaashah – destruction; tasya vidyate – there is for him; kalyanakrut – who strives for good; na hi kashchit– none verily; Taat – son, durgatim gacchatthi – ever comes to grief.

O Partha, neither in this world, nor in the next world is there destruction for him; none, verily, who strives to be good, O My Son, ever comes to grief. 6.40

Selections of Reflections:

18. None, striving on the Path Divine, can ever be destroyed; and whatever he accomplishes will be faithfully carried over, as a legacy, by the individualized-self in its pursuit here and in the hereafter. Each today is an added link in the endless chain of the dead and gone yesterdays. The chain continues growing, by adding to itself, link after link, all the yesterdays. Death is only on of the incidents in a human existence and the tomorrow has no accidental or arbitrary beginning, but it is only a perfect continuation of yesterday, modified by the thoughts and actions of today. (6.37)

19. The present is the product of the past and thought by thought, action by action, knowledge by knowledge, we are creating for ourselves in the present the blue-print of our future. One who acts rightly in the present can come to no grief in the future, because the future, because the future is but a product of the past and the present. (6.40)


Hari Om! Pranams once again!

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby sathiavathi » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:08 am

HARI OM

VERSE-39


Atanmay samsayam Krishna chatumarhasyasasesataha

twadanya samsayasyasya cheta na hyupapadyate



may-my; atat-this; samsayam-doubt; asesatah-completely

chatum-to slash; arhasi-it behoves you; hi-because; twadanya-other than you;

asya samsayasya- of this doubt; chata-one who slashes; na upapadyate-may not be found.


Krishna, it behoves you to slash this doubt of mine completely; for none other than you can be found,who can tear this doubt.

terms and definitions--6.38

Who is a 'yogabhrasta'?

Asincere seeker, faithfully treading the path of self control to rediscover the self, may get lost,if(1)death were to rob him on his way or (2)for waNT OF COMPLETE

self-control. Such a seeker who haS 'FALLEN'from his spiritual pursuit is termed 'yoga brashta'(fallen yogi)
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby sathiavathi » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:12 am

HARI OM

VERSE-39


Atanmay samsayam Krishna chatumarhasyasasesataha

twadanya samsayasyasya cheta na hyupapadyate



may-my; atat-this; samsayam-doubt; asesatah-completely

chatum-to slash; arhasi-it behoves you; hi-because; twadanya-other than you;

asya samsayasya- of this doubt; chata-one who slashes; na upapadyate-may not be found.


Krishna, it behoves you to slash this doubt of mine completely; for none other than you can be found,who can tear this doubt.

terms and definitions--6.38

Who is a 'yogabhrasta'?

Asincere seeker, faithfully treading the path of self control to rediscover the self, may get lost,if(1)death were to rob him on his way or (2)for want of complete

self-control. Such a seeker who haS 'FALLEN'from his spiritual pursuit is termed 'yoga brashta'(fallen yogi)
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby murugans61 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:37 am

Hari OM

Having posted the verses with meaning and the relevant portions from the HGRR, let us now post our individual reflections/study notes on verses 37 to 40.

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby vignesh » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:32 pm

Arjuna feels diffident and he , some how, thinks that liberation is not possible in one life. He desparately asks Krishna, " What happens to that seeker who has fallen from meditation?. Does he not perish like a scattered cloud?" Arjuna feels that the meditator has no punya, becasue he has not done any karma. He has failed to achieve liberation also. Thus being deceived of punya and moksha, he will face an unfortunate unforunate future, according to Arjuna.
Not being able to accept this situation, he surrenders to Krishna seeking clarification. Krishna consoles Arjuna by asserting that a spiritual seeker can never an evil end.
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby murugans61 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:06 am

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A doubt arises in the mind of Arjuna in regard to the aspirant who falls short of perfection in yoga. The sadhaka is clear in his faith that yoga leads to perfection. But he has not got the requried firmness in his mind. He has not therefore attained the goal of yoga. What happens to him who dies without attaining the goal of yoga is the question that arises in Arjuna's mind.

Having renounced the sense pleasures of the world, he lost what the world has to offer. And having not attained perfection in yoga, he is not able to realise his goal before his death. Therefore he is like a cloud which does not descend on earth. He has neither the here nor the hereafter.

Lord makes a profound pronouncement that the Doer of good never comes to grief. A sadhaka who slips from yoga never fails to a state inferior to the what he has already attained.

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby sathiavathi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:04 am

HARI OM

VERSE-37


In this verse Arjuna wants to know the destination of one who fails to achieve

atmatattva or realization of the soul, due to inability to cultivate dispassion

and practice of meditation.Where does one end uP who in the very beginning was endowed

with firm faith and practice but later due to weakness of mind,cessation of practice

and attraction to to sense gratification was unable to achieve realisation?


verse-38

In this verse Arjuna also wishes to know what becomes of the person who is performing actions

for the supreme lord without any consideration of personal gains and does not

succeed in performing yoga.Because such a person was not performing any actions

for entering heaven they will subsiquently be unqualified for access to heaven and hence

not connected anywhere.Without anything to stand upon,is he not lost like the torn cloud,

deprived of both God realisation and heavenly enjoyment?


VERSE-39

In this verse Arjuna prays to the lord for the solution of his doubts.When the Lord himself

out of his supreme compassion was present before him, whom else should he ask about it,


and really speaking no one else was capable of unravelling the mystery.Therefore,Arjuna

humbly prays to the lord to reveal the truth to him and clear the doubt of his mind.


VERSE-40

lORD kRISHNA ANSWERS Arjuna by addressing him in a very affectionate way by

the use of the word tata meaning dear one. He confirms him that there is no downfallo or setback

in the present life or in the next life for an aspirant of moksha or liberation from the material

existance who has abandoned the path of karma yoga.Even if one fail to reach
perfection due to digressing from the path by negligence in dispassion or lethergy

in practice still there is no demerits or diminution because there was no hankering

for rewards and thus no reactions to suffer.One who treads the path of yoga

and righteousness never meets with an inauspicious or evil destiny.
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby murugans61 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:35 pm

Hari OM

Let us study verses 41-45, which gives the theme " Stages possible on the way to perfection".

Vigneshji - Verse 41
Murugan - Verse 42
Sathyavathiji - Verse 43&44
Ganeshji - Verse 45

Vigneshji
Terms and definitions 6.44
Thoughts and concepts 33 and 34
Selection for reflection - 20,21,22 & 23 - Murugan

Verses for memorization - 41,42,43 - By all.

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby vignesh » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:35 pm

Verse 41

prapya punyakrtam lokan usitva sasvatih samah
sucinam srimatam gehe yogabhrasto bhijayate

prapya - having attained; punyakrtam- of the righteous; lokan- worlds; usitva-having dwelt; sasvatih- everlasting; samah - years;
sucinam- of the pure; srimatam- of the wealthy; gehe-in the house; yogabhrasto-one fallen from Yoga, abhijayate - is born.

Having attained to the worlds of the righteous and having dwelt there for everlasting ( long) years, he who had fallen from Yoga is born again in the house of the pure and the wealthy.
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby sathiavathi » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:54 am

HARI OM

VERSE-42

Adhava yoginameva kule bhavati dhematam

atadhi durlabataram loke janma yadidresam.


adhava-or else; dhimatam yoginam-of enlightened yogis; ava-indeed;

kule-in a family; bhavathi-may be born; yat-which; edresam-such;

janme-birth; atat-that; loke-in this world; hi-verily;

durlabataram-is very difficult to obtain.

Or(if he is possessed of dispassion) he is born in the family of enlightened yogis;but such a birth in this world is very difficult to obtain.


VERSE-43

Tatra tam budhisamyogam labhate pourvadahikam

yatate ca tato bhuya samsidho kurunandana.


tatra-there,in that birth; tam-that; pourvadahikam-acquired in his previous birth;

budhisamyogam-spiritual insight(i.e.,latencies of even-mindedness);

labhate-he(automatically)regains; ca-and; kurunandan-o delighter of the kurus;

tat-through that; bhuya-again(with renewed vigour);samsisdo-for perfection;

yatate-strives.

Arjuna,he automatically regains in that birth the spiritual insight of his previous births;and through that he strives, harder than ever,for perfection(in the

form of god realisation).


VERSE-44

Purvabhyasana tanaiva hreyate havasopi sa

ginjnasurapi yogasya sabdabrahmativartate.

sa-he(the other one who takes birth in the family of pious and wealthy men);

avase-under the sway of his senses; api-even though;

tena purvabhyasena-by the force of the aforesaid habit acquired in his previous birth;

ave-only; hi-verely; hreyate- feels drawn towards god; yogasya-of yoga; ginjnasu-the seeker of enlightment;

api-even; sabdabrahma-the vedas; ativartante-transcends.

The other one(who takes birth in a rich family ),though under the sway of his senses,feels drawn towards god by force of the habit acquired in his previous birth;

nay, even the seeker of enlightment on yoga transcends the fruit of actions performed with some interested motive as laid down in the vedas.
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby sganesh0112 » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:11 am

Hari Om! Pranams to all!

6.45 Prayatnaadyata maanastu yogi sanshuddah kilbishah |
Anekajanmasandiddastato yaat parram gatim ||


Yogi – yogi; Prayatnaat yata maanastu – one who strives with assiduity; sansuddah kilbishah – purified from sins; Anekajanma sansiddah – perfected through many births ; tatah – then;yaati paraam gatim – attains highest Goal.

“ But the Yogi, who strives with assiduity, purified from sins and perfected (gradually) through many births, then attains the highest Goal. “


WISHING YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY SARAD NAVARATRI AND DUSHERA.


Pranams once again,

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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby vignesh » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:54 pm

Terms and Definitions

12 Explain the term "sabdabrahma" in the following verse?
purvabhyasena tenaiva hriyate hyavaso'pi sah
jijnasurapi yogasya sabdabrahmativartate
By that very former practice he is borne on in spite of himself. Even he who merely wishes to know Yoga goes beyond the sabdabrahma.
The term" sabdabrahma" in the verse denotes " the words in the Veda", wherein the word "Veda" indicates only the ritualistic portion.

Thoughts and Concepts

33 What are the two possible destinies of a Yogabhrasta?
The following are the two possible destinies of a Yogabhrasta ( fallen Yogi): 1) Those who were engaged in the worship of the Lord (upasanas) with inner unfulfilled desires will, after their death, reach thoseplanes of consciousness(heavens) that are conducive for exhausting all such desires and, having exhausted these desires therein , they will take birth again, in this world, in the house of the pure and the prosperous to continue their spiritual journey. 2) The desireless who pursue selfless upasanas, therby gain more and more inner integration and, as a result of it, they become dynamic minds capable of the highest meditation. Such individuals - as soon as they leave one embodiment-are immediately born in a conducive atmosphere in a family of wise men of meditation, where they can continue their pilgrimage without any obstruction.
These two destinies of a Yogabhrasta have been indicated by Sri Krisna in the verses 6.41 and 6.42
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby vignesh » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:05 am

Thoughts and Concepts
34. Explain the significance of Sri Krsna's statement - " By that very former practice the Yogabhrasta is borne on inspite of himself"

An individaul who has been in Yoga in his past life, will be, " by that very former practice, borne on in spite of himself". A man who had in the past lived the life of self-control, study and practice gathers to himself those cultural traits and he, in this life, in spite of himself and regardless of all his adverse circumstances, environments and conditions of life cannot but instinctively come to exhibit-in his attitudes to life, and in his behaviour toward the things and beings in the world- a tranquility and a balance, which are a surprise even to himself.
When an individual, who was a fallen Yogi in the past, is reborn, " in spite of himself" he is drawn towards a life of meditation and quietude, of seeking and striving, of self-control and discipline. Let him be put on the throne of a kingdom, or in the bustle of a market place, or in the ignominy of the gutters, he cannot but express his nobility of heart and his philosophical bent of mind. All the wealth in the world brought under command, unquestioned might and power gained, love and respect given... yet he cannot be dissuaded from his path divine. " By that previous practice alone is he borne on in spite of himself." ( 6.44)
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Re: Geeta Chapter 6 Dhyan Yoga - Yoga of Meditation

Postby murugans61 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:11 pm

Selections for Reflection

20 Knowledge without practice is a dull, dreary load upon the shoulders of a seeker.

21 No cultural man can successfully imitate the idiot for a long time; so too, no rascal can act the part of the noble for any length of time. Both will, sooner or later, be compelled, in spite of themselves, to exhibit unconsciously their true nature through their words, ideas and actions.

22 Spiritual evolution is not a drama played out during an afternoon, but it is the slow revelation of the his tory of progress through endless aeons.

23 The one who has the proper temperament to seek life, the anxiety to realise the Perfection, the capacity to understand the hollowness of sense-life, the daring to follow the narrow foot-prints of the Seers of the world, the appetite for Infinite peace and tranquility, the courage to live the moral and the ethical values, the heroism to barter one's all to achieve the highest... such a one is not a " mineral -man" nor a vegetable-specimen" not an " animal-man", but he is the noblest creation under the sun, a perfect" man-man", standing right in front of the doors of Truth, demanding as a God-man his admission into the Sanctum Sanctorum. ( 6.45)
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